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19 years 7 months ago - 19 years 7 months ago #10221 by
Replied by on topic ok...time to chime in..... 1) it

ok...time to chime in.....

1) it IS easier to get into ortho as a woman....there are just less women who apply, but those who do are getting tons of interviews with inferior stats.

I agree that this has been true in the past but I think things are beginning to change. I think the upper bar has been raised by women this past yr and the bottom will soon have to follow.

My stats make me a very 'average' applicant if you remove the fact that I am a female. I have a 229 which does not make me inferior, but leaves me far from superior. I have a strong engineering background, division 1 athlete, good research expereince, nonAOA, blah, blah, blah. I have always been considering some kind of surgery, but did not decide definitively on ortho till mid MS3.

The point is, I was told by my chairman who is female friendly that I would absolutely match and to apply to top programs because I could end up there if I wanted. This would ring true with the fact that it is easier to get in as a woman.

However, I have had a rough time getting interviews despite having applied to a wide range and number of programs. I think someone with my stats is no longer competitive enough to get an interview at a top program, I also think there are more woman than usual applying this year. I don't think there is something weird in my application I don't know about, I've been told by multiple people it is very solid and I have great letters.

I have watched as some of my male classmates got interviews at programs I did not with 'lower' stats. I'm really excited for them, but I'm also frustrated too. So am I caught in the middle? Who knows? Maybe I just applied to programs who already feel they have enough women right now, maybe they have a strong applicant from their home programs, etc, etc. All I can do is keep trying and come up with a back-up plan.

I guess my point is, we never really know why we don't get the interviews we want, but try not to resent the people who do, its just wasted energy and makes you more miserable/bitter. There are male and female applicants who may get an interview we feel we deserved because they decided at the last second to do ortho, or don't really want it, or whatever reason fires you up. Just keep focusing on yourself and trying to figure out how to make yourself look better.

I think things are begining to even out for males and females as the years pass.

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19 years 6 months ago - 19 years 6 months ago #10660 by
Replied by on topic How about posting the opposite
How about posting the opposite side?
I have 243 in my step I, middle of class in top 10 med school and didn't get interviews at many places.

Duke - 205 (No thx with 243)
U of Michigan - 205
MUSC - 205
Wake - 205
UCLA - 230
UC Davis - 205 (rotated) (No thx with 243)
Loma Linda -205
San Francisco/St. Mary's program - 230
Stanford-205 (No thx with 243)
Yale-205 (No thx with 243)
University of Florida - Jacksonville - 230, 205 (rotated)
University of Illinois - 228
Southern Illinois University - 228
University of Kansas - 228
UMKC- 230
University of New Mexico - 230
University of Oklahoma - 230
Oregon Health Sciences - 205 (No thx with 243)
Brown - 228 (No thx with 243)
West Virginia - 205
HSS - 215 (from the PD)
Columbia - (No thx with 243)
Univ of Washington - (No thx with 243)
HJD - (No thx with 243)
GWU - (No thx with 243)
Drexel - (No thx with 243)
Rush - (No thx with 243)
U. Chicago - (No thx with 243)
Northwestern - (No thx with 243)
Hopkins - (No thx with 243)
UNC - (No thx with 243)
Jefferson - (No thx with 243)

Feel free to think whatever about the rest of my application, but my point is that step I by itself has little meaning.

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19 years 6 months ago - 19 years 6 months ago #10699 by
Replied by on topic Of course it has little
Of course it has little meaning, but there is a lot of talk out there about minimum scores for your application to be reviewed (as in you could be AOA, a professional athlete, have 20 publications and a couple of books in ortho, but at certain schools your app gets the circular file based on step 1 of 219 if 220 is the cutoff). This thread was started with the hope of showing that the idea of a strict cutoff is a load of crap at many programs. Yes there is more to the app than scores. There are plenty of people who got surprising interviews and rejections. This thread is basically to debunk the myth that if you have a lower score you shouldn't apply to certain schools (although even more helpful would be to know which schools do automatically toss apps with scores below a certain level without even looking at the rest of the application, should any of those actually exist).

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19 years 6 months ago - 19 years 6 months ago #10730 by
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It looks like a guy with 205 got interviews at some awfully good programs. I assume there must be something else in his application that made him attractive. I state this because I had a similar Step 1 score and also had something very distinctive on my resume'. That should be noted in anybodies interpretation of board scores.

Besides, I think this whole concept of using board scores is bull ****. It basically allows the programs to not have to think and use an exam that was never intended to gauge the caliber of student, and an exam which 90% of the material doesn't apply to Ortho, decide who they interview and how they rank them. I know it is only a piece of the puzzle, but its the piece that opens the door, so maybe in the overall ranking it is not very important, but if anything it limits interviews.

Duke - 205 (No thx with 243)
U of Michigan - 205
MUSC - 205
Wake - 205
UCLA - 230
UC Davis - 205 (rotated) (No thx with 243)
Loma Linda -205
San Francisco/St. Mary's program - 230
Stanford-205 (No thx with 243)
Yale-205 (No thx with 243)
University of Florida - Jacksonville - 230, 205 (rotated)
University of Illinois - 228, 204
Southern Illinois University - 228
University of Kansas - 228
UMKC- 230
University of Virginia - 204
SUNY Upstate - 204
University of New Mexico - 230
University of Oklahoma - 230
Oregon Health Sciences - 205 (No thx with 243)
Brown - 228 (No thx with 243)
West Virginia - 205
HSS - 215 (from the PD)
Columbia - (No thx with 243)
Univ of Washington - (No thx with 243)
HJD - (No thx with 243)
GWU - (No thx with 243)
Drexel - (No thx with 243)
Rush - (No thx with 243)
U. Chicago - (No thx with 243)
Northwestern - (No thx with 243)
Hopkins - (No thx with 243)
UNC - (No thx with 243)
Jefferson - (No thx with 243)

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19 years 3 months ago - 19 years 3 months ago #11521 by
Replied by on topic How about posting the opposite

How about posting the opposite side?
I have 243 in my step I, middle of class in top 10 med school and didn't get interviews at many places.

Duke - 205 (No thx with 243)
U of Michigan - 205
MUSC - 205
Wake - 205
UCLA - 230
UC Davis - 205 (rotated) (No thx with 243)
Loma Linda -205
San Francisco/St. Mary's program - 230
Stanford-205 (No thx with 243)
Yale-205 (No thx with 243)
University of Florida - Jacksonville - 230, 205 (rotated)
University of Illinois - 228
Southern Illinois University - 228
University of Kansas - 228
UMKC- 230
University of New Mexico - 230
University of Oklahoma - 230
Oregon Health Sciences - 205 (No thx with 243)
Brown - 228 (No thx with 243)
West Virginia - 205
HSS - 215 (from the PD)
Columbia - (No thx with 243)
Univ of Washington - (No thx with 243)
HJD - (No thx with 243)
GWU - (No thx with 243)
Drexel - (No thx with 243)
Rush - (No thx with 243)
U. Chicago - (No thx with 243)
Northwestern - (No thx with 243)
Hopkins - (No thx with 243)
UNC - (No thx with 243)
Jefferson - (No thx with 243)

Feel free to think whatever about the rest of my application, but my point is that step I by itself has little meaning.


dr2,

Just curious but even though you weren't able to pull down interviews at some good programs where did you end up matching with such a great step 1? I only ask b/c i have a similar board score and am probably in the middle of my class also. just curious....

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19 years 3 months ago - 19 years 3 months ago #11523 by
Replied by on topic Take all these posted scores
Take all these posted scores with a grain of salt...I interviewed at St. Marys and at UCLA with a score lower than those posted.

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