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Top 5 Spine Fellowships

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11813 by
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I would agree with your choice of well respected academic fellowships. I don't agree with some of your comments about particular fellowships, however.

"Jefferson: very trauma heavy, minimally invasive experience limited, deformity experience not as good as other places. Fellows do not round - just OR, clinic, and research. Great faculty, good neurosurgery experience."

Jefferson, has one of the most famous minimally invasive surgeons in spine surgery. He actually wrote the instructional course lecture on image guidance in spinal surgery. They have a very well rounded experience that is light on deformity.

"Wash U: very deformity heavy. Fellows do big cases with great faculty. Fellows work harder here than at any other program, doing tons of scut (like writing for TPN) and also take general trauma call. No real minimally invasive experience."

Wash U has a great deformity, C spine, and (now) trauma experience. They also have a new faculty who does a fair bit of degenerative. Sounds like their fellows work pretty hard at scut, however. It's also up to you to get your research done -- very little help and you are busy doing floor scutwork. Also, noone ever mentioned to me about the Wash U fellows covering general trauma.

"Rush U: very little hot trauma, but moderate cold trauma. Very degenerative and deformity heavy. Great faculty and great minimally invasive experience for an ortho fellowship (these fellows felt more comfortable than any others I met doing microdiskectomies, paraspinal approaches, etc.). Very good basic science set-up with plenty of NIH funds."

The Rush faculty told me that they don't do much trauma at all. They don't cover Cook county anymore as a result of a staffing change. These fellows get a great deformity experience but they have a fair bit of scutwork themselves (weekend rounding two weekend per month, manually getting the patients up out of bed in the morning).

"Emory: surprisingly, very little trauma. Excellent faculty, very deformity and degenerative-based. Good research opportunities and great faculty made up or ortho and neurosurgeons. Cannot comment on their minimally invasive experience."

Emory does a ton of trauma. The fellows are the attendings of record at a level one trauma center in an inner city. Not only do they do a ton of trauma, but they cover heinous revision degen cases as well. I think the fellows actually get worked pretty hard here as well. Fellows here also make double the salary of any other fellowship around.

Future applicants should check these places out for themselves. What makes these places outstanding is that they have guys who are subsubspecialized (e.g. a dedicated C spine guy, deformity guy, tumor guy, neurosurgeon, and/or trauma guy) who teach you tricks. They also have a great hand-on surgical training.

You really can't go wrong with any of the top tier places (there are about 15 or so). The main problem is the lack of a match. It is ridiculous how competitive the programs become toward the end and how fast things move. You will not have a chance to see all of the programs that you want.

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11814 by
Good addition....two rebuttal comments...and a comment on Rush...

The Jeff minimally invasive guy operates with the fellows once or twice a week...and if you ask the fellows, they pretty much watch him do minimally invasive cases...that what I was told by multiple independent sources from different fellowship classes...

I just talked to two spine guys who trained at Emory and they told me that they do not do a lot of Spine Trauma from Grady...I was surprised when I heard the comment too...but I have also heard they work hard...not sure if they minimized it to sell the fellowship...'cause not having to operate in the middle of the night is a real plus for me...let's me learn more during the day and opens weekends up for research and other stuff...

Rush gets referred cold spine trauma in from other places in Chicago...no damage control orthopedics here...this was confirmed by the fellows and residents when I interviewed there. It is, however, the least emphasized aspect of their program compared to other programs...I think they assume you learned how to manage that stuff in residency and as far as operative treatment of trauma, I think that they believe that if you can do degenerative and deformity cases, trauma is actually pretty easy...

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11815 by
Replied by on topic Screwz, I agree with you.
Screwz, I agree with you. I think future applicants have to be careful about getting sucked into the misconception that the only worthwhile fellowships are the big places mentioned. That's not to say that they're all awesome programs, but there are plenty of others that are great too.

If you know that you just want to do bread and butter degen. in the community, you can go anywhere you want. It comes down to fitting in and geography.

It's such a shame though that most people get rushed into making a decision without fully evaluating all of the places they want. If you know you want to go to a specific place, it's great. You get your spot early and don't have to sit and wait for match day. Otherwise though, it's a free-for-all.

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11816 by
To clarify...

My above comments and programs were not directed at those interested in becoming community-directed spine surgeons, but those focused on academic careers...going to a research-geared place like Rush, Wash U, Emory, or Jefferson really helps a good faculty spot and kickstarts your academic career...here are some of the editors of major spine textbooks out there: Vaccaro, An, DeWald, Bridwell, Lenke, Herkowitz, Garfin, Eismont...

I agree with checking these places out yourself, but for two reasons you will not be able to...that is why sharing in a forum like this is important.

#1. You will have to prioritize which programs you visit..some will intwerview on the same day...you need to pick sometimes and an informed decision is a better one.

#2 It is damn expensive to visit all of the twenty great programs out there...flight, hotel, time off work...gets pricey and painful. While a match will be helpful, it'll cost the applicants a ton of money to visit all these places, money I did not have....

The reason why I think it is important to share thoughts/concerns about different programs...

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11817 by
Replied by on topic well said JK
well said JK

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19 years 2 weeks ago - 19 years 2 weeks ago #11818 by
Emory interviews this weekend...can those who interviewed there let us know what the trauma load is...double checked my sources and think that things have been changing over the last few years...

Good luck to all this year...the next few weeks will be hectic...

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