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10 years 8 months ago #33756 by recentgrad
Replied by recentgrad on topic Advice Please - MS3.
Your high level publications are a benefit, even if not orthopaedics related. Future success in research is most predicted by previous success. The problem is that many of the programs that would most strongly value your research pedigree might not be keen on your Step 1 score. Agree with app123456 about the importance of aways. And if you like where you are for medical school, foster relationships there. Your best chance is to be a 'known rockstar' at program(s) BEFORE they even look at your application... by away rotations and at your home program.

Also, never one to turn someone away from orthopaedics if that is your passion, but if functional/MSK medicine is more of the appeal and the surgical side isn't critical, PM&R is an alternative.

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10 years 8 months ago #33762 by Breit31
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I appreciate the feedback from you both, and imagined much of that would be the case. I'll continue to get input and go from there. I know any decision to apply will be an uphill battle so we'll see what makes the most sense. Thanks a lot.

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10 years 8 months ago #33768 by incase90
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In a similar boat to breit31, albeit with ortho-specific research. Should a midwest student be rotating at multiple places in different geographical regions? "Top-tier" programs make sense...but what programs are "lower-tier"? Anything that isn't top-tier?

Trying to figure out how to optimize my chances (which are probably highest at home/regional places) and increase interviews. Thanks!

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10 years 8 months ago #33773 by mdizzle913
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I would not recommend rotating at geographically different programs because I do not think it will open up that region. If you really like the program and you do well on the away then you will probably get an interview, but do not expect other interviews in that region. This is based on personal experience and this seems to be the consensus with the people I have talked to on the interview trail. If I were you, I would actually try and do aways in the same region you have either grown up in, went to college, or are at medical school. Those programs are your best shot of getting interviews.
As far as tiers, community programs are more likely to be forgiving if you show a strong work ethic during aways and have solid letters of recommendation. That being said, I would also rotate at 1 university program you believe would be a good fit and you are very interested in.

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10 years 8 months ago #33777 by app123456
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I agree with what mdizzle said about not really believing the "opening up a region" talk. If you're from the SE and have a 225 you should probably rotate at as many SE programs as possible. If possible, you could also try to find out which programs don't get w ton of rotators and rotate there.

Also I'd like to clarify my "tier" comment. I don't believe in that tier crap, I just used the term because people on here do. I think there are lots of programs that orthogate would label "low tier" that have better operative experiences than "top tier" places. However, as an applicant with a below average step score, you should probably use forums like this to figure out what programs have fancy names that impress boatloads of Ortho wannabes.

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10 years 7 months ago #33815 by recentgrad
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Agree with mdizzle and app123456 - not sure how one rotation in a region 'opens up' the whole region. Places largely won't know where you did aways until interview season. Away rotations, if you do well and are a good fit for a program, can greatly facilitate getting a spot at that program regardless of geography.

One story: had a friend from one area of the country, grew up there, but the folks had moved and ended up graduating from high school/college/med school elsewhere. Despite doing one away rotation in the area, as interview invites started going out, none where forthcoming from the area where my friend wanted to do residency and have a practice. In a bit of a panic, sent along a supplemental letter and got some phone calls made to endorse the deep roots and desire to be in that area longterm. All worked out in the end.

If anyone is looking for ways to beat the geography and somehow get 70 interviews all over the country despite having grown up and schooled in only one area of the country, good luck. If I were a program director I'd be suspect that you are just interview hunting and not legitimately interested... if you were, you'd have done an away rotation. Otherwise you probably won't rank the PD's program high, or if you do its only because it is among your only options. I think all PDs, regardless of program, want residents who really want to be there. This is just another reason why the shotgun approach to residency applications doesn't work too well in my opinion. Better to start early and be as good an applicant you can to the 20-30 programs that you really know you'd like to spend 5 years at, for geographic/personal/professional reasons, and pick some selective away rotations at the programs where you think you might get overlooked for whatever reason in the pre-interview stage.

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