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Residency Review Thread 2014-2015

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11 years 4 months ago #32728 by orthoshogun
Med School: USNWR Top 25
Boards: Step 1: 264 Step 2: 271 sent to programs in mid-December
Rank: 1st quartile
AOA: Yep
Preclinicals: 110% plus a gold star (Does this actually matter anywhere?)
Clinicals: H in all clerkships (Surg, Med, OB, Peds, Neuro, Psych, General Surg Sub-I)
Ortho: Home and 3 Aways, H in all
Aways: East Coast, Midwest, West Coast — just looking for the best programs possible
Research: 2 First author publications, one of which JBJS, another in general surg. Podium presentation. A variety of silly urology abstracts.
Extracurriculars: Fulbright (came up on every single interview), tons of state/local/national medical groups with conference/presentations record, various other things that probably didn’t matter but took up space
Typing speed: 52 wpm
Personal connections: None. Always nice to have someone in your backcourt besides good letters. I’m about as connected as a 1996 Gameboy.

What I was looking for in a Program:
Really complex situation b/c I couples matched. Initially I wanted the absolute best training program I could find (fewer fellows, strong didactics, hands-on, resident-centric program). Couples match = compromising from day 1. Geography (coastal, mountains, oceans) was ideal but less important than program quality.

How many Programs:
Applied to: 50
Offered Interviews: 35
Attended:19

Side note: I don’t care what any angry person says. I appreciated these ‘tier’ systems and am genuinely curious how other people perceive these programs. Reputation/connections matter depending on where you want to end up after residency.

Didn’t make it b/c scheduling conflicts or personal choice:
Mayo, Iowa, Cedars-Sinai, Utah, UTSW, Baylor, UIC, Michigan, UNC, Dartmouth, Brown, Emory, Boston U, Einstein, OHSU,

Outstanding Programs: (In no particular order)

HSS: Amazing hands-on training despite fellows—however you’ll still do less than blue-collar style places. Best connected program in America. Hand pick whatever fellowship you want. Agree that trauma here is actually very good between sites. Manhattan + $800 housing = Wow. It’s an honor to get an interview here.

NYU: Most energetic, ambitious, and fun group of residents in the country (IMO). Huge name faculty. Standalone orthopaedic hospital like HSS and in Lower East Side, amazing setup. Great hands-on atmosphere with research culture maybe second only to Rush. Got to be a self-starter in this big program, but it’s as good if not better than anywhere.

UCSF: Phenomenally well-rounded program with down to earth, easy-going residents. SF General is the flagship with great surgical training. You’ve got to love working in a county hospital for half of every year. SF is pricier than NYC these days, but it’s a vibrant exploding city with amazing geography nearby. Great fellowship match. Not a touchy-feely faculty group but no sense of malignancy at all in regards to prior posts.

Rush: Pretty much the sweet spot for academic programs. You get 3 publications every time you sneeze (residents routinely have 20, 30, 80 publications) and call schedule is ridiculously easy. Chicago is super livable. Honestly the most “elite” fellowship match list I saw anywhere solely based on academic reputation. Only downside is operative experience. You WILL do less than elsewhere but these residents are still well-trained. Dr. Levine the PD is a huge advocate, great guy to work with.

Wash U: Seemingly always fighting for the “Number 1” spot. Angry that Doximity put HSS #1 and admitted so on interview day. Every factor in place here to make you the best *academic* orthopaedic surgeon in America. Not a fun set-up (tense environment, high expectations, St. Louis) but you’ll be very, very well-trained. Personally I think it’s peaked (New Chairman, just lost a bunch of faculty) but it’ll still be a great program for years to come.

Penn: Double-edged sword. I put it in top tier b/c it’s phenomenal training. It’s also not a very fun place. Tough, blue-collar, work-you-till-you-die-general-surgery atmosphere. With that said, Dr. Levin is the most ambitious chairman I met and I’d take him in my corner any day. Outstanding research. Shiny new trauma center. There are no training weakness but definitely lacks any fun/exciting element like the above programs.

Pitt: Pretty much the same story as Penn. I don’t love Pittsburgh but this is an outstanding hands-on training program. May very well put out, on average, the best surgeons in America given the volume and expectations. 6-year track is liquid gold for academic routes. HOWEVER, you’ve got to really buy into the Freddy Fu culture around here. His pictures (with celebrities) adorn every orthopaedic hallway. Not for me, but I respect the hell out of this program.

Excellent Training, Lacking in various realms:

Stanford: Great well-rounded training. Some historical reports of poor op-exerience but I have no major concerns. Palo Alto is a suburban paradise. Great college atmosphere if that’s your thing. IMO Dr. Avedian the PD is also a class act.

Minnesota: Very strong under-the-radar program. Minneapolis is a beautiful city and you get to rotate through amazingly strong hospitals (VA, TRIA sports, Hennepin County, Minnesota). Really amazing training. Residents weren’t super researchy but tons of opportunities around for those inquisitive enough.

UW: I want to love this program but unfortunately 75% of rotators here have really, really bad experiences. Hard to reconcile that. Exposure to the best trauma in the country, perhaps, but even residents admit it’s not hands-on in the OR. Other hospitals seem to shore up deficiencies so I truly believe they come out well trained. Seattle is a phenomenal city with so much to do (and eat). Honestly the program is sort of ‘coasting’ these days and doesn’t have the ambitious drive that a lot of other (Wash U, NYU, Pitt, Pen, USC) top programs do.

UCLA: Are you the type of guy/girl that needs 1 carry to get the first down, or do you need 4 carries? The is a gentlemen’s program through and through. Superb facilities, reasonable call, Santa Monica. No doubt you’ll operate less than other places, but I’ve spoken to enough graduates of the program to see that they still get excellent training. More smiles than anywhere else on the trail. UCLA wins for happiest orthopaedic residency program in the universe.

USC: Dr. Lieberman (Chair) is a mastermind. This program is on a meteoric rise in the ortho world. Always had one of the best trauma/blue-collar training programs in the country thanks to LA County, but Lieberman is re-constructing the research side to make this a legitimate top program. Far more blue-collar, longer hours, harder call than down the street.

Northwestern: Winner of best location in America. Right on Lake Michigan. Beautiful facilities. Brand new (mostly) ortho hospital opened up next door. Dr. Peabody (chair) is a wonderful guy. Still making transitions from the ‘gentlemen’s program’ or yore. Less hands-on than other places but Peabody continues to recruit faculty to change this.

U Chicago: Outstanding faculty support for resident education. Beautiful new primary hospital and superb lifestyle (easy call, hours, etc.). Downsides IMO are rotating through Loyola, North Shore for trauma b/c farther away. Lower volume cuts into training. Regardless I still think this is a phenomenal program that doesn’t get enough respect. Great fellowship match list.

Case Western: Outstanding training program whose only real negative is Cleveland (not bad for everyone admittedly). Probably best spine training in America. Other strengths are trauma and peds. Great research support and low cost of living.

Less Desirable, Should still come out well trained (not much to say about these, I’ll keep my thoughts in the positive realm):

Yale, Loyola, Cincinnati, George Washington, Ohio State

NOT RANKED: None. I didn’t accept any interview I wasn’t willing to rank.

Matched at: (did away there, where on ROL, etc): Top-tier. So stoked can’t wait to start residency.

Advice for future applicants: Everyone is looking for something different but at the end of the day we all have one thing in common: Just trying to match. I really have no idea why I got some interviews and didn’t get others, but just be the best applicant you can be: Honor as many things as possible, kill step 1, and get to know your home attendings so you can get good recs). Having some extra feather in your cap (varsity athlete, work experience, in my case a Fulbright) also helps you stand out. Lastly, just be normal and hard-working on away rotations. I saw so many people shoot themselves in the foot b/c they ‘tried too hard’ and came off pushy are aggressive.

Best of luck to next year’s applicants. The interview season starts with your first away rotation and ends on match day. It’s a long process. Godspeed.

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11 years 3 months ago #32778 by spondy
This was helpful for me last year, so I thought I'd chip into the discussion. I won't post my stats for anonymity, but as a whole (and this can be seen in that stats spreadsheet in another thread), lots and lots of ppl have step 1 of 260+, AOA, and multiple pubs, and it's so hard to distinguish yourself especially during interviews at certain places like HSS, NYU, WashU, Rush, etc. This process is a crapshoot, and choosing your aways wisely may be the most important thing you can do. I'll shed light on my personal "Tier 1" as these are programs I either rotated at or know the most about through talking to other interviewees, attendings, and just researching them just because they ended up being in my top 5.

Iowa:
Extremely well balanced program, with 6 residents (told us on interview day usually 3 of them are away rotators that end up matching). This really is the place to go if you're unsure if you want to go into private practice vs. academics, since the opportunities for both are excellent. The faculty are very down to earth, very committed to resident education (no fellows), and seem extremely approachable. Seems like the residents have a lot of operative autonomy and for the most part the residents seemed very happy. Research is also abundant, but it seems like most people there do administrative database work--for example, two of the residents there have mined NSQIP like crazy and each have like 20-30 pubs. Not so sure about the research opportunities otherwise since that's really all I kept hearing about in terms of publications, but it's Iowa, and I'm sure there's plenty of things to put your name on it if you choose to. A lot of people of course complain about the location, but some of the upsides are that Chicago is only a 3 hours drive, it's a good college down, and it's extremely cheap (a lot of residents bought in 3-4 BR houses and seem to be living very comfortably). A knock on it may be diversity, though, and a lot of the residents just seem extremely extremely similar. One thing to note also is that they did lose a lot of their spine faculty if you're interested, but I'm sure they'll get people to replace those lost.

NYU HJD:
Drs Egol (PD) and Zuckerman (chair) did not fail to impress during interview day. From what I've heard and saw, this is probably the most resident focused program in the Northeast, and one of the most in the entire country. The residents seemed to operate frequently and early, and I think the key really is the huge amount of volume they get here, spread amongst HJD (ortho hospital), Bellevue (VA), Tisch (main NYU hospital), and Jamaica (community hospital in Queens). Seemed to be extremely trauma heavy, but the resident class seemed to be pretty diverse in interests--6 out of 12 matched into Hand for example, all at their 1st choice. The location cannot be beat (lower east side of manhattan), but this does come at a very hefty price--although I heard NYU residents are the highest paid in the city. Another plus, if you're into it, are research opportunities, as numerous residents get thrown research projects and many come out with 40+ pubs if they want to. A potential knock on the program is that with a 100+ attendings, and 12 residents, it's very easy to get lost and attendings may not even know who you are, and hence you really have to be pro active and a self starter to make things happen here, otherwise it's easy to slip through the cracks. But then again, there's a very specific personality here that is very apparent in interview day that they seem to take (also very rotator heavy--11/12 last year), so it probably ends up working out in the end.

Vanderbilt:
In my opinion, the best program in the southeast, although I'm sure others would argue for Duke and/or Ortho Carolina. In terms of operating experience, I'm not sure what other program in the country is better than them. Attendings that I've talked to specifically rave about how well trained the guys that come out of Vandy are, and it's mostly because of the autonomy they get in the OR along with their insanely hard work ethic. During my interview day, you can tell that the residents here really really pride themselves on hard work--my interviewer for example just finished up 36 hour call (as a chief), and still decided to come in on Saturday straight from the hospital to interview me. The facilities were amazing (honestly the nicest gym I've ever seen in a hospital), and the attendings seemed very approachable. Research opportunities do exist here, of course, but it seemed like it wasn't as academic as other places I saw on the trail. Be wary that very very few rotators get an interview here--I heard only about 9 or so do every year. Nashville is a plus or a minus, depending on just how big of a city you want to live in, but at least it isn't too expensive and the weather is nice. All in all, an excellent program, and definitely one of the more underrated ones.

WashU:
What hasn't been said about this program? One of the best and really prides itself on its residency program--even talking about its doximity ranking on its residency website. Dr. Gelberman (previous chair) and Dr. Wright (PD) have done an amazing job in resurrecting this program from the 90s to the powerhouse it is now. If you're looking for a big time academic career, I can't think of a better place to go. The research opportunities here are probably the best, with residents partaking in anatomical/basic science studies and really high impact research (not just the database stuff). In addition, the operating experience IMO was top notch as well, not to mention the fellowship placement. My only concern, however, is that the program may have peaked and now may be at the risk of declining--a new chair, and HUGE names that just left for Columbia, including Lenke and Riew. I also heard rumors about the PD and others (including Dr. Yamaguchi) leaving as well for potential chairmanship, but these of course are just rumors. Other weaknesses may be the large amount of floorwork that juniors as well as seniors had to do, paper charting and over 4 EMR systems throughout the enormous hospital which seems like a pain, and the fact that St. Louis isn't one of the beautiful cities in America. Regardless of these factors, I think this is still an amazing place to end up and will continue to be in the future as well.

UCLA:
Probably the happiest residents I saw in any of the places I visited. It really is amazing to live here, great lifestyle, amazing city, perfect weather, seriously the best way to live as an ortho resident compared to anywhere else. That alone honestly made this my "top tier" program. The big knock on this program, however, is the operative experience here, as the case load seems lax and there's no way residents can live this well and still do 8-10 cases a day. After talking to residents, it is true, they don't operate as much as other places, but to their justification, doing 500 tibial nails doesn't necessarily make u better than the guy who did 250 if all it takes is say 150 to be proficient at them. Honestly, as a med student, I don't know what "good" operative experience really is, and I think we all base it off volume. I think these guys probably come out great surgeons regardless and their fellowship match is simply amazing. In addition, 2 residents do an additional year of research, which is a plus or minus depending on the person, but having a year off in downtown LA isn't a bad gig, plus can only boost ur resume. All in all, an excellent program IMO.

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11 years 3 months ago #32796 by TheCatalyst
Wow. Well, if you’re an MS3 reading these, please realize that the wide, wide, WIDE majority of applicants are not as glorious as those who have posted before me. My resume is far more normal, and far more similar to the vast, vast, VAST majority of guys (and gals!) I met on the trail. Never fear; though you certainly have to paddle feverishly in the water, you don’t have to actually walk on it.

Get your 250, attempt some research, prep thoroughly with Hoppenfeld’s, and don’t be an arrogant prick. Such will have you well endowed when flexing on Match Day.

School: Texas.
Rank: Top ~3rd
AOA: No, sir.
Rotations: 2, Northeast
Step 1: >250 (Plan ahead. Finish UWorld).
Step 2: LOL. Taken a few weeks before match day haha
Research: Zero actual journal publications, but four ERAS “publications” (you will know what this means when the time comes)
Career aspirations: Service oriented academics
Ideal program: 2 parts public, 1 part private. Blue collar, baby.
Preferred culture: looked to see whether or not 1) residents wore scrubs on interview day, and whether or not 2) Attendings routinely allowed music in the OR. Surprisingly, the latter was not universal haha Go figure.
ECs: Nothing truly memorable. Played some crappy college ball.
Applied to 60, invited to 15, went to 13.

Favorites:

The U (Miami, FL): Perfect ratio of public to private. Very bro (but two mad cool ladies in the program). Several big names that one wouldn’t expect to be there. Night life culture quite prevalent if you want. If not, the other half of the guys are just as chill as every other program. Excellent balance of operative experience (Jackson/VA…) and lifestyle (30, count em, 30 weeks of research, weekends off for half of intern year, minimal to no overnight call intern year, home teams for all 4 major sports leagues, ACC Sports, city/suburban/beach living all prevalent). +1 for scrubs, +1 for music during cases.

Bottom line: Become a skilled surgeon and have fun while doing it, but learn Spanish and empty your bank account.

Campbell Clinic (Memphis, TN): Perfect ratio of public to private. Southern gentlemen (but surprisingly, lots of diversity of thought, if you know what I mean), plus 2-3 mad cool ladies. Several big names in each and every specialty, as you would expect. Beale Street is legit, but Memphis does indeed leave quite a bit to be desired (though is it very affordable). Excellent balance of operative experience (The Med…where you go 24 on / 24 off for the first 1-2 years, I believe) and lifestyle (OFF of The Med, you live the life of Campbell Clinic Attendings, IE quick turnovers and golf). Smaller city/suburban living. FWIW, Lots of non-salary money to be made doing random physicals and covering high school games. +1 for scrubs, -1 for music in the OR (questionable), +1 for Tony Allen being first team All-Defense.

Bottom line: Personally thought this was the best all around Residency Program in the country. Memphis is the only drawback (for most).

Johns Hopkins (Baltimore, MD): ROTATED. Hospital is perceived to be private, but is actually QUITE public (of note, excellent culture of teaching permeates the entire building; from scrub techs to residents to cafeteria workers). Very diverse (all of my Chiefs were female; two black residents which is unicornally rare). Lots of big names, but less than you would expect. Quite obviously, large portions of Baltimore leave quite a bit to be desired…so avoid those areas; the charm of “Charm City” is actually pretty easy to find. Surprisingly, this is a blue collar, operative-heavy, hands on program in a research oriented, academic powerhouse. Such juxtaposition is *rare*. However, the environment was quite tense; unusually anxious atmosphere. Was rather off-putting, coming from the jovial south. +1 for scrubs, +1 for music in the OR, +100 for Dr. Jim Ficke, who is extraordinary.

Bottom Line: A hands-on, "learn by doing" Northeast program. If Northeast is your vibe, check Hopkins out. Rare up there to learn by doing...as opposed to watching.

Very Pleasant Surprises:

Stony Brook (on Long Island, NY): Another operative-heavy Northeast program, without the typical bite of the Northeast. Very bro program, with very very cool guys. Beer, biceps, and beards. Basically a Texan program transplanted to the Northeast. I saw Cowboy boots with snow on them. Long Island is great, if you’re a suburbs type of person. Very pricey though. +1 Scrubs, +1 Music

Wake Forest (Winston-Salem, NC): If you’re a smaller city type of person who enjoys warmth and people smiling, give Winston-Salem a very good look. Apparently lots and lots of hand on training (per rotators), and a few big names to boot. Dr. Teasdall, the PD, clearly getting his Chiefs whatever Foot and Ankle fellowships they want. Genuinely welcoming faculty and residents, who were hilarious throughout the day. ACC Sports coverage. Relaxed, diverse mid-Atlantic/Southern program with great training to boot. -1 Scrubs, +1 Music.

Advice:

As above, get your 250, attempt some research, prep thoroughly with Hoppenfeld’s, and don’t be an arrogant prick. Such will have you well endowed when flexing on Match Day. And oh yeah:

Matched: Number 1, despite not being AOA, not having any journal pubs, nor sportin’ a 260. Stay caffeinated and motivated, my friends. You can do well. Most of you will. So just do it.
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