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Overall rating 
 
3.3
Staff Surgeons 
 
3.0
Didactics/Teaching 
 
4.0
Operating Experience 
 
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Clinical Experience 
 
5.0
Research 
 
7.0
Residents 
 
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Lifestyle 
 
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Location 
 
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Overall Experience 
 
2.0

Weak Program

Program Review

Staff / Faculty / Chairman
Definitely some TROLLs here...perhaps the residents over-rating this program.

The PD is a very nice guy and very approachable. He's peds Ortho I believe. The chair is in interim with the old one leaving. Iannotti is somewhat involved with the residents.. however I heard one of the residents say that He doesn't let them do much and that even as PGY3+ they simply shadow in his clinic/OR. Faculty are hit or miss. TONS of FELLOWs, but expected.
Didactics / Teaching
Didactics are on Tuesday mornings and the residents are excused from clinic/OR for it. I did hear that one of the residents FAILED USMLE Step 3 and that another PGY 5 FAILED their BOARDS... Not sure if this was resident or the program but reflects poorly on both.
Operating Experience
NO Trauma... probably the Least of ANY program in the country. There is no way few short rotations as a junior are going to be sufficient. Joints was their strong service but Fellows do still take cases... that's the point of fellowship right? There seemed to be some institution regulations for running multiple rooms and that it was becoming more difficult for attendings to do so...I would be concerned because this will significantly impact resident OR experience...seemed to be happening already since residents were with Fellow or Attending as second assistant even as Chiefs. Volume is hit or miss... some days are long others we were done by noon... since there is no trauma seemed to be just attending dependent. NEVER saw a Chief or resident operating alone except maybe closing. VIP patients also punt residents it seemed like.

Seemed like every resident needed to do a fellowship here.
Clinic Experience
Quite some driving to all the satellite locations for clinic.
Research Opportunities
Plenty of research but also had a lot of research fellows. Seemed to be no pressure to publish and some residents did very little and others did more.
Residents
Some MEAN residents who just wanted to not teach. Seemed to be mostly from the Midwest. Some residents also came unprepared to the OR... attending pimped one of them and they had no idea what surgery we were doing? or any of the patient history. Reflects very poorly on the program as a whole and the atmosphere may be too chill.
Lifestyle
Very Good. Nothing seemed too hectic except maybe joints. Most other services you get done by mid to late afternoon. Call was chill with annoying ER consults for sprains. No real experience to general ortho.. maybe due to the nature of a tertiary center.
Location / Housing
They really put the hospital in the worst part of the city, surrounded by abandoned housing. I could only image how gloomy it must be in the winter.
Limitations
Operative experience, resident education, resident cohesiveness, city of Cleveland, and experience to general Ortho all seem to be HUGE weaknesses of this program.
Overall Rotation Experience / Conclusion
I would say Average program at best. Every program has strengths and weaknesses, but this one has some real limitations. I think a resident failing the boards really says something. They do have great joints and sports rotations but other specialties seem lacking. I heard a resident complaining about how they were second class citizens and how (Mroz) the director of spine treated the neurosurg residents preferentially in the rotation.

Qualification

I rotated as a medical student at this program
Date of Rotation
2018
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Overall rating 
 
4.8
Staff Surgeons 
 
2.0
Didactics/Teaching 
 
7.0
Operating Experience 
 
2.0
Clinical Experience 
 
7.0
Research 
 
8.0
Residents 
 
3.0
Lifestyle 
 
9.0
Location 
 
3.0
Overall Experience 
 
2.0

Not even close to as good as previously advertised

Program Review

Staff / Faculty / Chairman
Rotated here based on reviews. PD: Kuivila is very ecstatic. Recent Chair: Mont just left. Faculty seem nice and interested in teaching. Number of faculty have research fellows, including Mont. Mont has strong nepotism where he hires carribean grads for 2 years of slave labor then slips them a residency spot(atleast the case for past 2 years seems to be). Other fellows are just abused for cheap labor and pumping out papers while dangling residency in front of them...just seemed unethical to say the least.
Didactics / Teaching
Good Didactics on Tuesdays. Seemed to be nothing special contrary to the other reviews.
Operating Experience
Perhaps the other medical students rotated at a different program or falsely inflated their reviews. Imagine a program with 7 joints fellows, 3 hand fellows (only 2 ortho attendings) , 6 spine fellows, 1 shoulder fellow, 3 sports fellows and each and every attending having a PA. I don’t see any scenario where the residents are first assist. This was the case residents scrubbed with the fellow, attending, and PA. Residents do get good at closing though. Interns and 2s are on floors. I wouldnt trust them to operate on an enemy to say the least.
Clinic Experience
Residents are active in clinic. See their patients (parallel to the fellows) and present to attending. Good clinical since high volume clinics. A bit of a drive since clinics can be all around the city at the various regional offices and hospitals
Research Opportunities
Plenty and abundant if utilized. They are building their own registry which seemed neat.
Residents
Some great, others were awkward and cynical. It seemed the nice ones get abused by the others with extra call and work.
Lifestyle
Great but you lose out on becoming a good surgeon. The hospital is level 2 or 3. So no trauma, random meaningless ER consults fill the call. My time on call was either nothing going on or random bursitis or minor closed fractures. All the real stuff goes to either Metro or UH
Location / Housing
Affordable living but it’s still Cleveland....nothing else need be said.
Limitations
Operative experience....especially general and bread/butter call or trauma. The UH program owns trauma in the city and even when CCF rotates at Metro they are juniors ( they rotate as PGY1-3 under the UH chiefs at Metro who do the real operating). I would avoid if any wish for trauma or learning general Ortho.

Joints seems strong and a lot of residents go that route but fellows will dominate regardless.

Some cynical residents who are trying to avoid work like the plague.

Lots of Nepotism and under the table residency dealings. See Monts ad on orthogate.

One of the chiefs mentioned getting last pick for Fellowship. Admit others get top choices as well.
Overall Rotation Experience / Conclusion
Poor...definetly not a top program contrary to other reviews.

Great research and some good enthusiastic fellows.

Almost no general or trauma experience. Specialties are flooded with fellows so get ready to fight for cases.

Unethical and nepotism with chair on residency selections

Qualification

I rotated as a medical student at this program
Date of Rotation
2016
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