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| 9.1 (4) |
| City | New York |
| State/Province | New York |
| Website | http://www.med.nyu.edu/orthosurgery/ |
| Overall rating: | 9.1 | |
| Staff Surgeons: | 9.0 (4) | |
| Didactics/Teaching: | 9.5 (4) | |
| Operating Experience: | 8.5 (4) | |
| Clinical Experience: | 8.8 (4) | |
| Research: | 10.0 (4) | |
| Residents: | 8.5 (4) | |
| Lifestyle: | 8.3 (4) | |
| Location: | 10.0 (4) | |
| Overall Experience: | 9.0 (4) |
| Overall rating: | 8.1 | |
| Staff Surgeons: | 9.0 | |
| Didactics/Teaching: | 8.0 | |
| Operating Experience: | 7.0 | |
| Clinical Experience: | 8.0 | |
| Research: | 10.0 | |
| Residents: | 6.0 | |
| Lifestyle: | 7.0 | |
| Location: | 10.0 | |
| Overall Experience: | 8.0 |
| Staff/Faculty/Chairman | Dr. Zuckerman is great, he is a ball buster but when you get his sense of humor you'll find him really funny. That being said he demands that things be done correctly or he'll let you hear about it. Other attendings are hit and miss. Definitely a who's who of orthopedics, but some of them were not that impressive to me in terms of operating skills and/or teaching while some are the most amazing people you will meet. |
| Didactics/Teaching | Lots of didactics, which to me is not a plus because I don't get much out of them. Residents must prepare for lectures because they will all be asked questions. Weekly team conference as well which the residents prepared for on a separate day. I felt it was excessive and they were being overly anxious about it. You do get asked questions but I found them to be pretty laid back unless its obvious you didn't prepare. If you like a large amount of studying/presenting/lectures this would be a good program. |
| Operating Experience | Above average, but not incredible. Real operative experience begins as a three. One of the residents gave a spreadsheet of his CPT codes in the different areas and he had about 1900, so you can estimate 1100-1200 cases. Actual experience in the OR ranges from just watching to doing the case with minimal interference depending on the attending. Skills in the OR varied with the residents, some being great and some so so. |
| Clinic Experience | Clinic is clinic. The two's run a iCare center which is like a low level emergency room at HJD so lots of experience there dealing with acute non-operative injuries. |
| Research Opportunities | Can't be beat, required to do 3 papers (case report, review, and complete research project). Residents have published up to 40 papers. If research is your thing you will find it here, if it is not be prepared to deal with it in heavy doses. |
| Residents | Varied group. Some were awesome guys I'd love to hang out with, some were socially awkward, anxious (typical med student), and everything in between. Its a large class of 12 so this is to be expected and they don't recruit to a certain personality as small community places will. Not especially close knit, but with 60 residents you wouldn't expect it to be. |
| Lifestyle | New York City, in Manhattan. If this is where you want to be you can't beat it. Typical residency, prepare to work hard. 5am to 10pm days are not unusual (although also not the norm) |
| Location/Housing | Subsidized housing available with priority to new residents just moving to the area. It's very nice and a great deal for the money and location. Other than that, Manhattan apt hunting rules apply meaning very expensive and very little space for the money. |
| Limitations | None. |
| Overall Rotation Experience/Conclusion | Overall you can't talk bad about this program, it is extremely well balanced. The names are some of the biggest in orthopedics, good lectures, above average operating time, top notch research with the big names, and located in Manhattan. This is a large program with equal emphasis on operative experience, research, and academics. It comes down to whether it fits you though. |
| I rotated as a medical student at this program | |
| Date of Rotation | Fall 09 |
| Overall rating: | 9.1 | |
| Staff Surgeons: | 8.0 | |
| Didactics/Teaching: | 10.0 | |
| Operating Experience: | 9.0 | |
| Clinical Experience: | 9.0 | |
| Research: | 10.0 | |
| Residents: | 9.0 | |
| Lifestyle: | 8.0 | |
| Location: | 10.0 | |
| Overall Experience: | 9.0 |
| Staff/Faculty/Chairman | Big names. Big personalities to go with them. Everyone knows Dr. Zuckerman and he's a great resident advocate. The PD Dr. Egol is a bit brusque but also a resident advocate. |
| Didactics/Teaching | Excellent. Lots of conferences - indications, fracture, etc. Zuckerman does a biweekly conference that is basically a pimp session. I will say that although I wouldn't call these conferences malignant, I found the atmosphere...unpleasant. Still, fear can be a great motivator and the residents knew their stuff. |
| Operating Experience | Excellent, albeit only for the PGY-3/4/5. The PGY-2s at HJD were either in clinic, on the floor or in iCare, HJD's version of an urgent care center. My PGY-2 got into the OR once the entire month, and it was to help remove an ex-fix. I think one of the big perks at NYU, however, is that once you are a PGY-3, you spend most of your time in the OR and you work with many different surgeons so that you get an exposure to different ways of approaching an operation - such as doing a THA through an anterior approach. Like in all programs, some of the attendings don't like to give up the knife but others basically sat back and let the resident do the entire case. |
| Clinic Experience | Clinic is clinic. |
| Research Opportunities | Excellent. Dr. Egol is constantly pressing the residents to pump out some publications. |
| Residents | Huge program. Lots of residents. I liked most of them, didn't like some of them but when you have 62 that's bound to happen. |
| Lifestyle | Average. In terms of hours and workload, not too bad. However, the intense atmosphere of the place wore on me and I was only there for a month. Most of the residents seemed OK with it, so maybe it's a self-selecting group that ends up there. |
| Location/Housing | In my opinion, the best location of any of the Manhattan programs. You can live in the lower east side, east village, west village, lots of cool places. Seems like it's hard to get subsidized housing unless you're coming from far away. If you're from the tri-state area, forget about it. Obviously your rent is going to suck. |
| Overall Rotation Experience/Conclusion | Great program overall with big names, big research, and a good breadth of training opportunities. That said, I didn't feel like I necessarily wanted to be in that atmosphere for 5 years. Others may love it though, so to each his own. |
| I rotated as a medical student at this program | |
| Date of Rotation | Fall 2009 |
| Overall rating: | 10.0 | |
| Staff Surgeons: | 10.0 | |
| Didactics/Teaching: | 10.0 | |
| Operating Experience: | 10.0 | |
| Clinical Experience: | 10.0 | |
| Research: | 10.0 | |
| Residents: | 10.0 | |
| Lifestyle: | 10.0 | |
| Location: | 10.0 | |
| Overall Experience: | 10.0 |
| Staff/Faculty/Chairman |
Chairman: Dr. Zuckerman is the current AAOS president, and even though he probably has a ton of responsibilities he is still very much involved in all aspects of the programs. I was on his service when I rotated and while he has a very commanding presence, I didn't find him to be intimidating like the other reviewer. Rather he was very friendly and funny; highly involved with resident education; and even rounded on his patients twice a day. PD: Dr. Egol is a very intense program director, but it is clear that the resident education and the well-being of the residents are his #1 priority. I worked with him two days in the OR and the residents were very hands-on and did the vast majority of the case while he led them through the case. The residents call him a "research machine" since he's got like 150 publications. He also makes sure the residents are well read in regards to the ortho literature. Faculty: I agree with the other reviewer that this is definitely a powerhouse program and one of it's key strengths is that you work closely with a "who's who" of orthopaedic surgeons. There are over 100+ attendings, so if you want a program where you're on a first name basis with all the attendings, this may not be for you. But the way I see it, the advantage is that you get great hands-on experience learning many different techniques and approaches from some of the top orthopaedic surgeons in the country. |
| Didactics/Teaching | They have three hours of didactic teaching every Wednesday morning at 6:30am and a variety of service dependent conferences throughout the week. The residents get pimped during the weekly fracture conference, but the rest of the didactics are generally lectures. I didn't think the pimping was malignant at all, and the residents know the literature better than any other residents at other programs that I rotated. |
| Operating Experience | I was at HJD during my rotation and I thought that the residents were very hands-on. This is not a program where the attendings disappear and the residents do cases completely on their own. The attendings are always present, but they let the residents have a lot of autonomy, and from what I've heard they have even more autonomy at Bellevue and Jamaica Hospital. They clearly have a system that works as their chiefs were the most competent residents that I saw during my rotations. Also, this is not a fellow heavy program where the residents are always competing with the fellows for the best cases. |
| Clinic Experience | The residents are in clinic 1-2 days a week depending on the service and the majority of the services have a resident-run clinic once a week. The residents do everything on their own, but there is always an attending around to run questions by if they need it. I got to see a lot of patients on my own and then presented to the chief resident who would help me come up with a treatment plan. The residents were very helpful and tried to teach the sub-i's whenever they could. They also have an indications conference once a week where they present the previous week's clinic patients where they have to defend their surgical indications in front of a panel of experts in their field so that by the time they finish residency they know how to properly indicate patients for surgery. |
| Research Opportunities | Research is strongly emphasized because the program director is really into research. From what I heard, the residents are required to have three publications before they graduate (usually a case report, review article and clinical study) as well as submit a research grant proposal. Some residents thought that this was a little much, but in the end it's probably good for your career. |
| Residents | Hands down, the residents here were the most competent and knowledgeable over any other place I rotated. The program is tied for the largest in the country with 12 residents a year. I'm a fan of larger programs so this was a plus for me, and they take two residents for a research year between their 2nd and 3rd year. Almost all of residents I met were very cool, down to earth and friendly. It seemed like they hang out together when they get off of work. There were a couple of people that I didn't get along with personally, but you're not going to get along with everyone everywhere, and with 62 residents there are plenty of awesome people around. |
| Lifestyle | This is definitely a work hard, play hard kind of place. Work hours seem to vary based on the service, but in general the residents work close to 80 hours per week, which is pretty standard for most programs. A lot is expected from the residents, but I never got impression that they were over worked or thought that the program was malignant. In your free time you are living in the heart of NYC which is pretty awesome. |
| Location/Housing | The majority of residents live in apartments around the city (I've heard of a few who commute from Brooklyn). Some of the residents have subsidized housing and from what I heard from a friend of mine in med school at NYU, they are getting more options for subsidized housing. Housing isn't cheap, but that's NYC for you. As far as neighborhoods go, it's in a really nice one with good restaurants and bars close by--and if you don't like those there are millions of places to chose in Manhattan. |
| Limitations | I couldn't find that many weaknesses of the program. The only drawback for me is the cost of living, but in talking to the residents they are all able to manage. |
| Overall Rotation Experience/Conclusion | I thought that NYU was an amazing place. I thought the residents were awesome, there are great didactics/conferences, residents had a lot of autonomy in the OR, residents get their top choice of fellowship at the best places, the faculty are top-notch, there is a huge focus is on resident education, and fellows never take away from the residents' experience. It's arguably the best residency program in the country in my opinion. |
| I rotated as a medical student at this program | |
| Date of Rotation | Fall 2009 |
| Overall rating: | 9.0 | |
| Staff Surgeons: | 9.0 | |
| Didactics/Teaching: | 10.0 | |
| Operating Experience: | 8.0 | |
| Clinical Experience: | 8.0 | |
| Research: | 10.0 | |
| Residents: | 9.0 | |
| Lifestyle: | 8.0 | |
| Location: | 10.0 | |
| Overall Experience: | 9.0 |
| Staff/Faculty/Chairman |
Chairman: Dr. Zuckerman is the AAOS president this year. His service is very tense with residents constantly freaking out behind the scenes, but in the OR he seems to do a good job of teaching and be a nice and funny (and intimidating) guy. PD: Dr. Egol also seems to be fear-inspiring and the residents think he's a little nuts, but they also credit him with their excellent didactics and research. Never went to the OR with him, so I can't say what he's like. Faculty: This program is a powerhouse program with fantastic faculty. You will work with the best here. The only downside is that because there are so many faculty and because a lot of them are famous, the residents aren't running the ORs and running the cases but are in a secondary role. |
| Didactics/Teaching | They have three hours of conferences each week together which are basically a pimp session, and if that is how you learn then it is really good because you will be intimidated into reading and memorizing. These residents know the literature better than anywhere else I rotated because they are literally shamed into studying their asses off. |
| Operating Experience | I was at HJD which is a private specialty hospital. The residents see the best of the best operate here, but are definitely in a secondary role. I hear they do more at other sites, but this was a problem with the program in what I saw. There are so many attendings that it seems like each one doesn't know their residents very well and doesn't trust their resident to do the case. Plus the private patients are the types to sue, so sphincters are tight. |
| Clinic Experience | I only went to the resident-run clinic. The attendings actually do let the residents have all the responsibility here, and the attending I was in clinic with did some teaching when the residents had questions, which was nice. |
| Research Opportunities | This is a major strength of the program. One of the residents told me that the PD says research is more important than patient care. He is only half joking. You will graduate from this program with publications in pretty much whatever you want. |
| Residents | It seemed like about half of the residents were really awesome, fun, down-to earth people and the other half were really OCD and full of themselves. It didn't bother me but some of the med students hated it there. My residents were pretty nice, just really anal and micromanage. Other students were getting yelled at though for pretty much nothing and were miserable. |
| Lifestyle | It's NYC so if that's your thing it is awesome. The residents may be a little mean to med students but they talk a lot about going out together and being friends. I think they really are a good group on a whole who like eachother and are close. It's just an intense place. |
| Location/Housing | I didn't hear about resident housing from the hospital. They all just live in apts. It's in a great location in NYC so that is great. |
| Limitations | The only weaknesses of the program are its size and the fact that residents are assisting a lot because attendings don't know them that well. And that there is some freaking out and yelling. It seems like they are really knowledgable and when I saw residents operate they were pretty good but not as good as at places where residents start operating a lot as 2s and 3s. |
| Overall Rotation Experience/Conclusion | It is NYU. I think you go there for the name and you suck it up and say yes sir for five years and come out published and then do fellowship and subspecialize and it doesn't matter that you didn't get to total joints all by yourself when you were a resident because you either do a joint fellowship or never do a joint again. You get to live in NYC and work with people like Zuckerman, and in return you get pimped a lot and kept on a short leash. I'm not sure if rotating there really matters. It might be more about scores. Some of the students I rotated with didn't get interviews and they seemed really good to me. |
| I rotated as a medical student at this program | |
| Date of Rotation | Fall 2009 |
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